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if it is at before observation before

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you open the lid the cat is both dead

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and alive now Schrodinger presented this

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as an absurdity case saying that this

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couldn't obviously couldn't possibly be

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true except it seems like maybe it is

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true so what we're interested in is what

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when a seer sees and somebody is gazing

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at this with remote viewing is if

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knowledge is gained through remote

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viewing does that caused a cat to be

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dead or alive does it collapse at

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superposition well I like kitties as

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much as anyone else so rather than using

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a kitty I decided to use a michelson

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interferometer so here comes the there's

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a laser low-powered laser sending

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photons into this system it goes through

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a half silver mirror and it goes through

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and bounces off of it and then it hits

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two mirrors they bounce off the mirrors

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they reconnect and there's where the

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interference pattern is formed now these

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two arms or the interference of the

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Michelson interferometer is very similar

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to the idea of two slits but the reason

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I use it in this form rather than a

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double slit apparatus is because I'm

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asking people to try to put their minds

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eye in one of the arms and I found it if

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I tried to describe to them that you

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have two slits that are 10 microns apart

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and to put your eye in front of one of

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them people can't see it and they can't

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imagine what what to do in this case

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it's very easy to imagine because it's

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about the size of your hand and I could

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show them put your eye here so they

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understand so this isn't a light-tight

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sealed room this shows the same

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apparatus if the laser going from the

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side showing that rather than getting

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the vertical bars like you'd get in a

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double set you get concentric circles

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but it's the same thing it's an

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interference pattern so here's the this

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is our 2,000 pounds solid steel Faraday

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cage light tight inside it is the target

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area in the interferometer we ask people

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from the outside to stick their minds

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eye over there to stick it in or

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take it out put it in take it out in a

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counterbalance fashion here we have a

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very sensitive camera not quite as

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sensitive as one Gary was using which is

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a hundred degree minus 100 degrees ours

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is only something like minus 20 degrees

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C but still pretty good so what the

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camera sees is when when an interference

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pattern is there you see a Ripley

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pattern and when there's no interference

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if you physically go into this

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interferometer and you block one of the

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of the arms you get a flat pattern so

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this is a no Ripley pattern and a Ripley

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pattern so that's expect that's what

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you'd expect to see so what we can do

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that as we take what the camera is

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actually looking at is looking at a

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two-dimensional surface and you take the

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cross-section of it and you can plot the

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cross section for both of these and you

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notice that for when one of the slits is

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actually blocked you get there are error

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bars here but they're so small you can't

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even see them whereas if the

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interference pattern is as present any

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tiny movement any vibration any

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temperature change makes the the system

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change because a quarter wavelength of

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light will cause the whole system to

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move so we go through a lot of a pre

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calibration time to make sure that the

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the interferometer is as stable as it

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can possibly be because of that little

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jittery movement so what we're looking

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for here then Anna counterbalanced

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fashion with mind in the Box mind out of

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the box is the difference between these

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two conditions the two ideal conditions

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and ideally you end up with this

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negative going pattern a nega- going

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Ripley wave that's what we ideally would

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get so some of the people we worked with

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were very advanced meditators this is

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Swami Veda bharati who's a meditator in

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the yogic tradition from the Himalayas

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and he came into the lab and meditated

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for 30 minutes and we have a little bell

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here which he used to not speak because

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he didn't want to break his

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concentration he rang the bell when he

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was ready to go so there is ringing the

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bell and now I'm in the same room at the

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other side of the room by the way from

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his perspective the seal the shielded

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room is roughly over there it starts

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over there so I'm now going to give him

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instructions by following a protocol

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that I've set up into

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of for the next 30 seconds put your mind

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in that spot where I told you to put it

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and try to see the incoming photons gain

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knowledge about the photons and now for

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the next 30 seconds take your mind out

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of the box and then put it in take it

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out put it in and take it out again and

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again so first of all before each

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session I ran a control condition where

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I did the same protocol except there was

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no one to putting their mind in and out

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of the box this is simply to test to see

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whether the equipment might have been

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biased in some way to and what you

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should end up with is a flatline in fact

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we get a flat line well when I we did

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their actual experiment what we got was

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this which is very close to what we had

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predicted what we hoped we would get and

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this means that there's a difference

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that was happening when he was asked to

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put his mind in versus out so again that

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was observed this was predicted and that

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would be the result of someone like me

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she okok you or brian greene here what

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taking pictures of the interference

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patterns i curate a movie out of it by

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simply taking the frames of the camera

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in sequence so when is this is for Swami

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Veda when his he was not observing the

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systems mine was not in the

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interferometer you get a fairly stable

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pattern and this this is the

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interference pattern as part of this

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concentric circle and it's using false

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color to highlight it but when his mind

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is in the box he get something that

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looks like a beating heart and what this

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shows is that he wasn't fully collapsing

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the system he was perturbing the system

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a little bit but it was perturbed enough

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them were with meditators half with non

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meditators overall we got a significant

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result we're hoping by designed to get a

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negative z-score and that's what we got

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so that was nice but when we separated

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the data oh and the control conditions

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didn't show any tendency to show an

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artifact Schewel result we separate the

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data by meditators and non meditators

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all of the action rather than meditators

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a very strong result is

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publishes past January the pupil

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dilation study by the way hasn't been

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published yet that's it's still being

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prepared for submission for publication

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so among other things this suggests that

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meditators the reason I use meditators

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is because the task requires 30 seconds

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of very stable putting your mind over

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there somewhere and if you're not a

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meditator and you don't have practice in

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mental discipline you may not be able to

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do that task so the reason why I had two

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kinds of people in the experiments

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people who don't meditate and are from

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the MTV generation if asked to put your

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mind over there for 30 seconds and keep

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you'll forget that you're in an

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experiment you'll start thinking about

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dinner and that's I think why we didn't

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see a result in that group so the

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conclusions of these two experiments are

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peers that the mind sees the actual

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future at least in this instantiation of

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an experiment the mind interacts with

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matter at the quantum level and I'll say

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maybe because as Garrett has mentioned

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that because the interferometer uses

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mirrors it's also conceivable that may

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be what the effect of the meditating I

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was doing was changing the reflectivity

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of the mirror and I can't tell that in

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this particular design so the next

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version of this will actually use a real

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double slit in which case you can get

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rid of mirrors there's no mirrors in at

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all I still have to figure out how to

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tell people how to gain knowledge from

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something which is 10 microns across but

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I'll cross that want to get to it and in

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general that space-time separations are

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an illusion that's that's essentially

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what's I tells us anyway that we it

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every day perceptual reality things

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certainly appear and look to be

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different but at this level they're not

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so different here's a way of

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illustrating it what most people see

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here is a dark circle and a little bit

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less dark and a little less dark but

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course this is an illusion and you can

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demonstrate the illusion by simply

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covering the boundaries here the

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boundaries is what creates this illusion

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and now you can see that the background

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is actually all the same level

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illumination and the the illusion is

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created by a very subtle shading right

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at the edge and it the reason why this

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works is because if you see something in

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real life which has a shading of that

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type typically it's something like a

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step so you expect that it should go

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down and your expectations drive what

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you see so if I take these the boundary

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markers away then the illusion comes

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right back so our expectations are very

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strong drivers of what we actually

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perceive this is the experiment which is

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currently about to start it'll start

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when I go back home the people help me

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build this as Paul Wendland here and

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Robert rickenbach both optical engineers

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and the design of this thing is to look

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at the role of intention in a physical

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constant in this case the speed of light

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we want to see whether advanced

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meditators can change the speed of light

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and the way we do it is each one of